Comments for White-Hot Heart Currents http://sanielandlinda.com/blog Communications from Saniel Bonder and Linda Groves-Bonder Fri, 12 Mar 2010 00:00:58 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.0 Comment on A Quantum Revelation for the Second Axial Age by alejandro maya http://sanielandlinda.com/blog/2007/12/25/a-quantum-revelation-for-the-second-axial-age/#comment-2305 Mon, 07 Jan 2008 17:29:49 +0000 http://sanielandlinda.com/blog/2007/12/25/a-quantum-revelation-for-the-second-axial-age/#comment-2305 hi saniel, your writings about post-hypermasculinity times inspired me to write the following: yesterday battle, hypermasculinity yesterday, i sent soldiers to battle they destroyed and dismissed with much persistence tomorrow, they will come to announce their wisdom i will have no ears to listen but my own humble heart let them free, hypermasculinity hold their hand and feel their touch before letting them go, know they were the ones who touched you core wound meet me, brother, where we can see each other no previous arrangement, no dismantling vacuuming greetings into the universe hi saniel, your writings about post-hypermasculinity times inspired me to write the following:

yesterday battle, hypermasculinity
yesterday, i sent soldiers to battle
they destroyed and dismissed with much persistence
tomorrow, they will come to announce their wisdom
i will have no ears to listen but my own humble heart

let them free, hypermasculinity
hold their hand and feel their touch
before letting them go, know they were the ones who touched you

core wound
meet me, brother, where we can see each other
no previous arrangement, no dismantling
vacuuming greetings into the universe

]]> Comment on A Prophetic Vise by Wayne http://sanielandlinda.com/blog/2007/11/07/propheteering/#comment-2194 Thu, 03 Jan 2008 09:06:12 +0000 http://sanielandlinda.com/blog/2007/11/07/propheteering/#comment-2194 I offer the following not as from someone who "knows", but simply from that these ideas seemed to want saying!... For you to consider: - It occurs to me that perhaps "prophet" is something bestowed by others (i.e., by acclaim), not something that one can declare about oneself, or even intentionally speak "from". This is especially important given: - Any overt action causes a corresponding reaction, or "resistance". The examples of this in history are overwhelming and continuing, e.g. Osama bin Laden OR George Bush! In this 2nd Axial Age (especially given the extreme and increasing power of technology) what seems required is a different, more subtle means of acting. Perhaps integral best describes the method: 2nd tier inclusive rather than 1st tier "We've got the answer and we are going to tell you how things really are..." A parallel method: "pulling out" rather than "pushing onto". The "teacher" excels at pulling out the truth into the light rather than pushing it down into a limited vessel. Pulling out implies the participation, hence "ownership" or mutual generativity of the students: hence, little or no resistance! Finally, it could be said that: - Anyone who declares themself to be "enlightened" probably isn't. Some who are sure they are not enlightened, might definitely be. Food for thought!? I offer the following not as from someone who “knows”, but simply from that these ideas seemed to want saying!…

For you to consider:

- It occurs to me that perhaps “prophet” is something bestowed by others (i.e., by acclaim), not something that one can declare about oneself, or even intentionally speak “from”.

This is especially important given:
- Any overt action causes a corresponding reaction, or “resistance”. The examples of this in history are overwhelming and continuing, e.g. Osama bin Laden OR George Bush!

In this 2nd Axial Age (especially given the extreme and increasing power of technology) what seems required is a different, more subtle means of acting. Perhaps integral best describes the method: 2nd tier inclusive rather than 1st tier “We’ve got the answer and we are going to tell you how things really are…”

A parallel method: “pulling out” rather than “pushing onto”. The “teacher” excels at pulling out the truth into the light rather than pushing it down into a limited vessel. Pulling out implies the participation, hence “ownership” or mutual generativity of the students: hence, little or no resistance!

Finally, it could be said that:
- Anyone who declares themself to be “enlightened” probably isn’t. Some who are sure they are not enlightened, might definitely be.

Food for thought!?

]]> Comment on A Quantum Revelation for the Second Axial Age by alejandro maya http://sanielandlinda.com/blog/2007/12/25/a-quantum-revelation-for-the-second-axial-age/#comment-2190 Thu, 03 Jan 2008 06:04:29 +0000 http://sanielandlinda.com/blog/2007/12/25/a-quantum-revelation-for-the-second-axial-age/#comment-2190 thank you, saniel, for expressing revolutionary vision. your journal inspired me to write the following: powering collectives thank you brothers, thank you sisters finally, i can release myself from making the effort of making it alone i see the power in you let's meet and celebrate let's hold the hand of this earth together thank you, saniel, for expressing revolutionary vision. your journal inspired me to write the following:

powering collectives
thank you brothers, thank you sisters
finally, i can release myself from making the effort of making it alone
i see the power in you
let’s meet and celebrate
let’s hold the hand of this earth together

]]> Comment on A Quantum Revelation for the Second Axial Age by Nishad http://sanielandlinda.com/blog/2007/12/25/a-quantum-revelation-for-the-second-axial-age/#comment-2073 Sat, 29 Dec 2007 15:51:38 +0000 http://sanielandlinda.com/blog/2007/12/25/a-quantum-revelation-for-the-second-axial-age/#comment-2073 Dear Saniel, Just wanted to say how much I enjoyed your recent blog entry A couple of questions, if that's OK: 1. Do you feel that the Second Axial Age of which you speak corresponds roughly to what Wilber calls the Second-Tier of consciousness (yellow meme onwards)? 2. I have long felt that the non-dual state of consciousness can be expressed via any of the stages of consciousness (as Wilber has elaborated) It seems to me that the expression of the non-dual state via the turquoise (or bodily-integral) meme first emerged with Adi Da's early work (as Bubba Free John), something that had never been done before, ie the expression of full enlightenment via an integrated body-mind It has also seemed to me for a while that you have taken this even further, and that your work is expressing the fully enlightened state via the indigo (or post-integral) meme, ie the expression of full enlightenment in a way that also fully honours the uniqueness of the person (or each person as non-dual Avatar), so that even the self-contraction (the enemy of Adi Da's turquoise expression) is accepted and honoured as Divine Your expression of enlightenment might therefore be third-tier, rather than just second-tier Examples of second-tier expressions would include Aurobindo (yellow meme), Andrew Cohen (yellow meme) and Adi Da (turquoise meme) Does what I am saying here make any sense at all? Regards, Nishad Dear Saniel,

Just wanted to say how much I enjoyed your recent blog entry

A couple of questions, if that’s OK:

1.

Do you feel that the Second Axial Age of which you speak corresponds roughly to what Wilber calls the Second-Tier of consciousness (yellow meme onwards)?

2.

I have long felt that the non-dual state of consciousness can be expressed via any of the stages of consciousness (as Wilber has elaborated)

It seems to me that the expression of the non-dual state via the turquoise (or bodily-integral) meme first emerged with Adi Da’s early work (as Bubba Free John), something that had never been done before, ie the expression of full enlightenment via an integrated body-mind

It has also seemed to me for a while that you have taken this even further, and that your work is expressing the fully enlightened state via the indigo (or post-integral) meme, ie the expression of full enlightenment in a way that also fully honours the uniqueness of the person (or each person as non-dual Avatar), so that even the self-contraction (the enemy of Adi Da’s turquoise expression) is accepted and honoured as Divine

Your expression of enlightenment might therefore be third-tier, rather than just second-tier

Examples of second-tier expressions would include Aurobindo (yellow meme), Andrew Cohen (yellow meme) and Adi Da (turquoise meme)

Does what I am saying here make any sense at all?

Regards,

Nishad

]]> Comment on A Quantum Revelation for the Second Axial Age by Saniel http://sanielandlinda.com/blog/2007/12/25/a-quantum-revelation-for-the-second-axial-age/#comment-1955 Thu, 27 Dec 2007 22:21:23 +0000 http://sanielandlinda.com/blog/2007/12/25/a-quantum-revelation-for-the-second-axial-age/#comment-1955 Bob, thank you so much for these comments, and I deeply appreciate your sense of my work as a harbinger of a Second Axial Age. Time will tell...or better to say, might tell--and much longer sequences of time than our lifetimes, really. Meantime, we get to just keep attending to the work at hand as best we can. In that light, I respect your own path and your strong words about our current species-wide predicament. You might post them at www.mutuality.net; contact Michael Sanborn at galethog@gmail.com. I know he and the Mutuality.net team are looking to get a community dialogue going there... I'll also take this opportunity to thank Douglas and Tommy for your comments as well. May all the bridges and pathways we all need and long for appear and come, as the old Amerindian saying goes, to "meet our feet" in every auspicious way. ~SB Bob, thank you so much for these comments, and I deeply appreciate your sense of my work as a harbinger of a Second Axial Age. Time will tell…or better to say, might tell–and much longer sequences of time than our lifetimes, really. Meantime, we get to just keep attending to the work at hand as best we can.

In that light, I respect your own path and your strong words about our current species-wide predicament. You might post them at www.mutuality.net; contact Michael Sanborn at galethog@gmail.com. I know he and the Mutuality.net team are looking to get a community dialogue going there…

I’ll also take this opportunity to thank Douglas and Tommy for your comments as well. May all the bridges and pathways we all need and long for appear and come, as the old Amerindian saying goes, to “meet our feet” in every auspicious way. ~SB

]]> Comment on A Quantum Revelation for the Second Axial Age by Bob Cinque http://sanielandlinda.com/blog/2007/12/25/a-quantum-revelation-for-the-second-axial-age/#comment-1941 Thu, 27 Dec 2007 17:39:14 +0000 http://sanielandlinda.com/blog/2007/12/25/a-quantum-revelation-for-the-second-axial-age/#comment-1941 Saniel Thank you for this important intuition of yours. A human culture founded in authentic spiritual realization instead of beliefs about God and ancient scripture would be a welcome relief and I believe that your work is indeed the harbinger of the Second Axial. Reclaiming our actual position as the flaming intersection of infinity and mortality seems right to me...I am appalled at the spiritual and material impoverishment of humanity and the relentless enslavement through political and spiritual propaganda. My own path has been to deconstruct the Lie in a comprehensive and exhaustive way..."not this, not that" and to stand prior to the dramatization of victimhood and abandonment which is so ruthlessly exploited in our faux culture. When we wake up and see that we have been not only stolen blind, but have also aided and abetted the thieves, we will have no choice but to face the beast we have become and overcome our capitulation to madness. In this Christmas season, I think it is appropriate to acknowledge Christ's scathing indictment of the spiritual intelligentia of his day and to notice that his condemnation of all things vicarious...the formulas of salvation through blood sacrifice of goats and doves, along with his fiery expulsion of the money men from the temple, is what sealed his fate and doomed him to execution. Later, the Jewish propagandists and their Roman enablers put their words in his mouth and he became the poster boy for...blood sacrifice! He must really be frustrated with that one! Truly, we are not separate from God, from Reality, what you call the Onlyness. Being responsible for and to this Fact, is the only possible way to sanity and well being. Bob Cinque PS.I have listened to all your anniversary gifts, thank you so very much, and have sent them far and wide, including to Robert Masters who deeply enjoyed and appreciated it (Prelude to an Unexpected Awakening) Also, I wrote a couple of essays, Deconstructing the Lie and Waking Up In Prison and would like to post them somewhere...any ideas? Love Bob Saniel
Thank you for this important intuition of yours. A human culture founded in authentic spiritual realization instead of beliefs about God and ancient scripture would be a welcome relief and I believe that your work is indeed the harbinger of the Second Axial. Reclaiming our actual position as the flaming intersection of infinity and mortality seems right to me…I am appalled at the spiritual and material impoverishment of humanity and the relentless enslavement through political and spiritual propaganda. My own path has been to deconstruct the Lie in a comprehensive and exhaustive way…”not this, not that” and to stand prior to the dramatization of victimhood and abandonment which is so ruthlessly exploited in our faux culture. When we wake up and see that we have been not only stolen blind, but have also aided and abetted the thieves, we will have no choice but to face the beast we have become and overcome our capitulation to madness.
In this Christmas season, I think it is appropriate to acknowledge Christ’s scathing indictment of the spiritual intelligentia of his day and to notice that his condemnation of all things vicarious…the formulas of salvation through blood sacrifice of goats and doves, along with his fiery expulsion of the money men from the temple, is what sealed his fate and doomed him to execution. Later, the Jewish propagandists and their Roman enablers put their words in his mouth and he became the poster boy for…blood sacrifice! He must really be frustrated with that one! Truly, we are not separate from God, from Reality, what you call the Onlyness. Being responsible for and to this Fact, is the only possible way to sanity and well being.

Bob Cinque

PS.I have listened to all your anniversary gifts, thank you so very much, and have sent them far and wide, including to Robert Masters who deeply enjoyed and appreciated it (Prelude to an Unexpected Awakening)
Also, I wrote a couple of essays, Deconstructing the Lie and Waking Up In Prison and would like to post them somewhere…any ideas?
Love
Bob

]]> Comment on A Quantum Revelation for the Second Axial Age by Tom Pratt http://sanielandlinda.com/blog/2007/12/25/a-quantum-revelation-for-the-second-axial-age/#comment-1874 Thu, 27 Dec 2007 01:27:48 +0000 http://sanielandlinda.com/blog/2007/12/25/a-quantum-revelation-for-the-second-axial-age/#comment-1874 Its exciting too hear You are looking for ways to reach more people (like me) who are in fact very attracted to your work and transmission but not particularly spiritually evolved. Thank you so much for all your gifts during this special time. Its exciting too hear You are looking for ways to reach more people (like me) who are in fact very attracted to your work and transmission but not particularly spiritually evolved. Thank you so much for all your gifts during this special time.

]]> Comment on A Quantum Revelation for the Second Axial Age by Douglas Thiel http://sanielandlinda.com/blog/2007/12/25/a-quantum-revelation-for-the-second-axial-age/#comment-1859 Wed, 26 Dec 2007 21:13:30 +0000 http://sanielandlinda.com/blog/2007/12/25/a-quantum-revelation-for-the-second-axial-age/#comment-1859 Saniel - My web site is a thrust toward a strategic vision (work in progress) of what is commonly known as Service Oriented Architecture (SOA), a software architectural style that requires a mature behavior standard. SOA requires comprehensive strategical thinking and mature behavior (where the strategic thinking comes from). Without such mature behavior and honesty corners will be cut. I've seen destructive behaviors first hand. I've been pondering the need within Corporate America but not too much -- such an idea always causes fear in my body. This is because the WHW and its attendant processes are antithetical to the incumbent political processes that are secretive, depend on information withholding, and pre-planned attacks disguised as politically correct behavior. I would find it very interesting to be involved in a project that could target Corporate America IT/Business Relations but I just can't see the bridge from here. Probably because the need has not been recognized by business leaders at large. Such a project deserves a formal Problem Statement -- something that business leadership can relate to as an issue or set of issues. link to problem statement template: http://www.poplarsoftwaredesign.com/Poplar/Downloads_files/Problem%20Statement%20Template.pdf Saniel - My web site is a thrust toward a strategic vision (work in progress) of what is commonly known as Service Oriented Architecture (SOA), a software architectural style that requires a mature behavior standard. SOA requires comprehensive strategical thinking and mature behavior (where the strategic thinking comes from). Without such mature behavior and honesty corners will be cut. I’ve seen destructive behaviors first hand. I’ve been pondering the need within Corporate America but not too much — such an idea always causes fear in my body. This is because the WHW and its attendant processes are antithetical to the incumbent political processes that are secretive, depend on information withholding, and pre-planned attacks disguised as politically correct behavior. I would find it very interesting to be involved in a project that could target Corporate America IT/Business Relations but I just can’t see the bridge from here. Probably because the need has not been recognized by business leaders at large. Such a project deserves a formal Problem Statement — something that business leadership can relate to as an issue or set of issues. link to problem statement template: http://www.poplarsoftwaredesign.com/Poplar/Downloads_files/Problem%20Statement%20Template.pdf

]]> Comment on Honest Swing Golfâ„¢ Blog#1: Golf Shock, Unwanted Gifts from Tiger and Phil, and the First Honest Swing FundaMental by Golfing Facts - Improve your game! » Blog Archive » Honest Swing Golfâ„¢ Blog#1: Golf Shock, Unwanted Gifts from Tiger ... http://sanielandlinda.com/blog/2006/07/03/honest-swing-golf%e2%84%a2-blog1-golf-shock-unwanted-gifts-from-tiger-and-phil-and-the-first-honest-swing-fundamental/#comment-1175 Tue, 04 Dec 2007 01:05:39 +0000 http://sanielandlinda.com/blog/2006/07/03/honest-swing-golf%e2%84%a2-blog1-golf-shock-unwanted-gifts-from-tiger-and-phil-and-the-first-honest-swing-fundamental/#comment-1175 [...] Saniel added an interesting post today on Honest Swing Golfâ„¢ Blog#1: Golf Shock, Unwanted Gifts from Tiger …Here’s a small reading[Note: At some point we’ll resurrect my golf site, honestswinggolf.com, and move this particular blog over there entirely. For now, I’ll leave it here at sanielandlinda.com.] I’ve had a couple of mornings on the course recently that … [...] […] Saniel added an interesting post today on Honest Swing Golfâ„¢ Blog#1: Golf Shock, Unwanted Gifts from Tiger …Here’s a small reading[Note: At some point we’ll resurrect my golf site, honestswinggolf.com, and move this particular blog over there entirely. For now, I’ll leave it here at sanielandlinda.com.] I’ve had a couple of mornings on the course recently that … […]

]]> Comment on Early Thanksgiving — Welcome Alliances in the Global Living Lineage by DouglasThiel http://sanielandlinda.com/blog/2007/11/12/early-thanksgiving-welcome-alliances-in-the-global-living-lineage/#comment-938 Tue, 13 Nov 2007 16:25:40 +0000 http://sanielandlinda.com/blog/2007/11/12/early-thanksgiving-welcome-alliances-in-the-global-living-lineage/#comment-938 Saniel & Linda, I don't know how to express my dismay at your association with TM. Ipracticed TM and the TM-Sidhi program daily for over 25 years and it was not until I came into contact with you and your organization, Waking Down (WD), that I began to understand anything about awakening. The people in the TM organization are, largely, ignorant of their true nature but insist on acting like they actually know something. In short, all they know are words around the truth, words they've heard from Maharishi. So many folks in WD have come from TM, I suspect, from a similar dissatisfaction as mine. So why the switch? Saniel & Linda,

I don’t know how to express my dismay at your association with TM. Ipracticed TM and the TM-Sidhi program daily for over 25 years and it was not until I came into contact with you and your organization, Waking Down (WD), that I began to understand anything about awakening.

The people in the TM organization are, largely, ignorant of their true nature but insist on acting like they actually know something. In short, all they know are words around the truth, words they’ve heard from Maharishi.

So many folks in WD have come from TM, I suspect, from a similar dissatisfaction as mine.

So why the switch?

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